Tenative Heimerdinger Rework Leaked

Posted on at 3:00 AM by Moobeat
 ( Warning! This is a LEAK! Everything in here is subject to change and nothing is set in stone. )

I get lots of emails every day. A few of them tell me how cool the blog is, others tell me about emerging news, and the rest of them usually tell me about the legions of typos that plague my blog posts. Sometimes though, I get a special emails. I happened to receive a special email yesterday containing some information on a rework for Heimerdinger.

The closest most players will get to Doran's Workshop.
Before I get too far into this, I'd like to explain a little known place within the League of Legends community - Doran's Workshop, or DW for short.. DW is, according to the League of Legends wiki, "a private server where tentative and experimental changes are tested and iterated on. It was originally called the Private Test Realm (PTR)". You can visit it yourself but you will not be able to delve any deeper than the landing page. To access it, you need to be either a Riot Games employee or a hand picked member of the community ( estimated to only be around 40-50 members at any given time ). I don't have access, odds are you don't have access, and the vast majority of players do not have access. We don't really know much about whats in there, save for very, VERY scarce mentions on the forums ; for example, Guinsoo mentioned DW when talking about play testing the upcoming Karma rework a few months ago.

My special email was from someone inside DW, someone with access to all of this delicious work in progress information and someone who decided to share it.
A Screen Cap of DW's testing forum which contains a lot of the QoL, Buff, and Playtest threads. I wouldn't over examine this if I were you.

While all those forum topics and QoL threads are interesting, they are not the main focus of this particular blog post. That honor is reserved for a screen cap of a specific post, a post that happens to contain information on the long awaited Heimerdinger rework!

The revised kit retains the same three core ( although obviously more fancy! ) ablities and a similar "MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER" ult. Click here for a bigger version.


Here is a recap of the image's contents: 
Base Statistics:
* Move speed now 310 from 300.
* Mana per level now 40 from 65
* Mana Regen now .6 per level from 0.65
* Health Regen now .6 per level from .55


Passive - Magnetic Salvage
* Remade: Every 4 nearby minion deaths, minions drop scrap. Scrap can be picked up to restore 25-65 mana and reduce his cool downs by one second.

H29 Evolution Turrets
* Remade: Turrets now have both a short range machine gun attack and a long range skillshot energy blast attack. Turrets require ammo to function and can be recharged by standing near them.

* Turret health rescaled to 100 ( +0.15 AP) from 260 + 15 per heimerdinger level.
* Turrets now gain 3 armor and MR per Heimerdinger level.
* Turret placement range increased to 450 from 250.

* Turret base damage reduced to 24/30/36/42/48  (+.015 ap )
* Turret attack speed reduced to .9 from 1.
* Turret sight radius decreased by 33%
* Turret Range reduced to 450 from 550.

* Mana cost fixed to 80 from 70/80/90/100/110
* Maximum parts are 1/1/2/2/3 from 2/2/2/2/2
* Part Recharge Timer is 26/22/18/14/10 from 20

* Turrets now have an alternate attack : Energy Blast that fires every 9 seconds ( reducable by CDR )
* Energy Blasts do 72/90/108/126/144(+.45) with 200 AoE and have 850 range.
* Placed Turrets have 80% of the energy blast charge.

* Turrets now have ammo which is reduced every shot. Ammo can be recharged by standing near turrets.

* Turret maximum increased to 3.

* Turret AI overhauled.

Hextech Starburst Rockets
* Remade: Now fires a circle of 10 rockets that fly towards your cursor. Units can be hit by more than one rocket

* Rockets now do 40/65/90/115/140(+.3) from 40/60/80/100/120(+.4)
* Rockets now have 40% damage fall off, down from 50%
* Rockets Minimum damage is now 20% up from 15%

* Mana Cost now 80/90/100/110/120 from 60/70/80/90/100

CH-2 Electron Burst Grenade

* Missle Speed increased to 1000 from 800.

* Stun Radius increased to 200 from 190.
* Total Radius increased to 350 from 40.

* Now no longer blinds, instead it slows by 40%
* Durrection oc CC effect now 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2

* Evolution Turret within 450 range of the blast zone are healed for damage grenade would deal, get full ammo, and gain 80% of energy blast charge.

* Mana cost now 80/90/100/110/120 from 60/70/80/90/100

OVERTIME!!!

* Remade: Now Overtime!!! makes your next spell free and greatly increases the effectiveness of that spell

* Passive still grants 10/15/20% Cooldown reduction based on level.

* Mana cost is now 150/125/100
* Cooldown is now 100/80/60

* Makes Next spell free
* Greatly magnifies the effect of your next spell.

* H-29 Turrets: Places 3 turrets in a fan pattern.
* Starburst Rockets : Launches 3 waves of 10 missles each.
* Ch-2 Electron Burst Grenade: Launches 5 grenades in a cross pattern.
We've known FeralPony and Xypherous  been chugging away at a Heimerdinger rework for months and if you search for "Heimer" in these EUW and EUNE posts, you can see small inklings about the planned changes - smarter turrets, grenade speed, turrets and his ult being the primary focus of the remake, and changes to all of his abilities, yet no completely new ones. All of these posts mesh with the above rework, but my source assures me that they are only about midway through tweaking his kit ( numbers, ratios, ranges, whatever ).  For the millionth time, I'd also utilize this time to remind you these changes are not final or concrete in anyway. As evidence of how dramatically prototype information can change, I submit the difference Shurelia's Evelynn prototype, a game designer who has since left Riot,  and the actual Evelynn rework that was recently revealed.

So what should the community do with this new, very hush hush knowledge? Nothing! You should enjoy it for what it is and hope that it survives testing long enough to make it to live. If you took the time to read the beginning of the post, you saw that I mentioned that DW was a place for tentative and experimental changes. Anything and everything could change between now and whenever Riot feels comfortable releasing details about the new kit.

So, if this information is sooo sensitive, why even bother to share it? I'm sharing it because I think it's cool. I think it's really cool. It's probably one of the most interesting remakes we've seen yet. They took Heimer, a notoriously hard to balance and certainly underplayed champion, and made him more awesome while retaining the same flavor and play style he currently has. The new ultimate alone gives him a ludicrous amount of viability and utility - sustained damage, burst damage, or an AoE CC.

On the morality of the secretive PTR being cracked open, I generally feel leaks can be fun and they can show whats coming down the pipeline, instilling hope and renewing the interest of the community. I've never been reserved about posting them before, but I did mull over releasing this one for a while. In the end I came to the decision to post it because it's what I would like to read about as a player.

125 comments

  1. Nice work man ! Awesome info ^_^

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  2. HOLY GODS

    IN THE SECOND SCREENSHOT

    TRUNDLE CHANGES

    THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE

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  3. Don't want to be a spoil sport but these kind of leaks are a little morally questionable (as you mentioned in the last paragraph). The PTR is private for a reason and it would be terrible if more information was leaked so that the testers can't do their work in peace. I presume the employees and ~50 members would've also agreed to some idea of privacy and this breaches that promise. This just sows seeds of mistrust in the members and hopefully won't result in less memberships being handed out.

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    1. "Don't want to be a spoil sport"

      Kind of sounds like you do. You seem to think this is the first time it's happened. If there were any seeds to sow, the fruitage would have already been recognized.

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    2. Who cares if he's a spoil sport. He's 100% right. Just because the seeds of distrust have already been sown, doesn't make it okay to escalate things. Although these are fun an all, the Dev teams have additional mistruts of testers and of course, will be less trusting to new testers.

      Basically, just because its there or already happened, doesn't make it okay.

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    3. Doesn't matter anymore, the PTR was permanently shut down due to this leak. :/

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  4. Pretty sure posting this was a bad idea. Have fun with Riot/NDAs/witchhunt at DW/people getting kicked.

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    1. The guy who decided to leak this info did so on his own regard, the blog poster is in no way responsible for his decisions or whatever consequences he might get.

      He justs informs us of the information he was given, freely and I'm sure with good knowledge he shouldn't do it and what might follow if they found out who handed out the information.

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    2. Pretty sure that's not going to mean shit.

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    3. I'm pretty sure Riot can't do a damn thing to the blogger. The only person "responsible" is the one who leaked the info, and I doubt that's ever going to come out. Actually, i know for a fact Riot can't do anything to the blogger.

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    4. Man. You guys just don't understand. If Moobeat didn't post this information, what would change? NOTHING. The anonymous source would have just gone to another blogger or news poster and leaked information to them instead. It is obvious that whoever leaked this info was determined to have it published, whether or not Moobeat posted it would have no effect on the consequences whatsoever, it would only mean we would be reading this from a different website.

      If Riot sees this blog, they won't be mad at Moobeat. Everyone knows you never shoot the messenger, whoever gave him the information will be the one in trouble.

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    5. "you never shoot the messenger", it's madness

      Madness? This is SPARTAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

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  5. TRUNDLE CHANGE?! GET THE PITCHFORKS!

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  6. Which makes me wonder, why do they keep this all hidden? It would be quite enjoyable for a player to read all the things they are trying out and it would get them a lot more respect than with the very limited communication they have now. It would make it more visible what kind of work goes behind the curtains and what we can expect. Would also allow for some quantitative feedback on possible changes. Riot may not like the latter because it may cause uproars, but they are making the game for the very same people in the first place.

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    1. No.

      People come to expect things and when expectations aren't met pitchforks are raised. It's always a bad idea especially when something is in the earliest stages of iteration.

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    2. Definitely not considering the uproar people make when things aren't liked or don't become the final version. Take Magma Chamber for example which is still used in General Discussions as a taunt against Riot...

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    3. They keep it hidden because it is SO subject to change. So there's little benefit to let it public - any discussions in the forums about it will probably be null and void two days later.
      By keeping it hidden, they can do their work in peace and not give the forum moderators a headache.

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    4. Have you ever played World of Warcraft? There's a reason why their community is pure crap (trust me, I played it for over 6 years). Blizz announces all of these changes, people see them on MMO-Champion, then they complain when something good/bad happens that they don't like. Leaks can be exciting and fun, no question there, but too much of it can be a bad thing.

      I don't think what the blogger did was wrong, nor the leaker. If the community can keep a strong head on its shoulders and know that this is just TESTING and not final, then it's fine.

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  7. ERMAHGERD TRUNDLE CHANGES!!! Freaking time, i love that guy , a skin for him would be nice.

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  8. Riot were the ones that leaked it, so it makes its way onto the forums (which it has) and they can see some feedback.

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  9. Man those heimer changes are insane, and the new ult... dat ult!!!

    It all looks pretty cool, mind you i said looks, ill hold back power state comments (up/op/balanced)till i see him live.

    Supposing this gets live.

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  10. OMFG Awesome! So this means ... He will be useful in teamfights!! Nice :)

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  11. Y U Change trundle??
    I hope you wont change his feeling too hard

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  12. The new Heimer changes are mostly questionable and I hope they take on more changes. The passive is neat, would be interesting if they look into making scrap his resource, instead of mana. The turret's range should be no less than 500. Well, hopefully these get developed better so we can start seeing them actually releasing info to all of us.

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  13. No ones gonna comment on Xyph using a Touhou pic in the private server : ? Making me curious on what the other people uses for avatar.

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  14. Good luck getting more leaks because after revealing who leaked this info, he/she will probably lose access and therefore scare the others into not sharing more.

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    1. It's Internet. There are very small chances that someone get caught, and probably they can't prove it. It's not like they can take fingerprints :D
      Only solution is to get rid of leaker for sure is to get rid of all(and put me in :D). But hardly that will happen.

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    2. "So, Moobeat, if this information is sooo sensitive, why even bother to share it? I'm sharing it because I think it's cool. I think it's really cool. I" Isn't Moobeat the sharer's name? Am I mistaken? Should I be aware of a meme or a term "Moobeat" that I am not familiar with? Inform me.

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    3. Moobeat is the author of the post, not the one who leaked the information.

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    4. There will be no more leaks from the PTR as it doesn't exist anymore sadly. Riot pulled the plug on the PTR permanently because of this leak.

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  15. "So, Moobeat, if this information is sooo sensitive, why even bother to share it? I'm sharing it because I think it's cool. I think it's really cool. I" Isn't Moobeat the sharer's name? Am I mistaken? Should I be aware of a meme or a term "Moobeat" that I am not familiar with? Inform me.

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    1. Moobeat is the guy that owns the blog.

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  16. some things are nice, some a bit less ... but what I find stupid is his ult.

    why make the ult cost something to make the next spell free ?
    lvl 1 it costs u 150 mana to cast a spell that costs max 120 mana ...
    then what about the turrets ? if u build 3 turrets with ult, are they still concidered as one or 3 (if turrets are only lvl 1 for exemple)?

    and he still lacks a true ultimate. sure he'll deal a great amount of damage, but then he'll cast another spell and we'll need to wait for his spells to come back again. Still i wonder if it's a real thing

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  17. While it is probably within your right as a "journalist" / "blogger" to publish the information you were provided with, I believe it's probably a bad idea overall.

    Right now, the biggest issue is that you kept all the names of unsuspecting people on the website. Why do that? It's quite rude, as someone might be harassed with the information given.

    I would also like to add that while there is a morality issue, the worst part is that you don't seem to care for the obvious long-term implications of a leak in a small community. While short-term, the leak does not harm the people here, it will most definitely harm the group of people that currently belong to DW.

    Secondly, you are probably burning some bridges with Riot, and overall causing your name to be involved with some controversy. So, it seems to me that you didn't think this through all the way, but wanted to be the "first" to post a leak like this instead.

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  18. omg xypherous has remilia avatar!!

    success!!

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  19. Xerath w changes... Prime!

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  20. No way is this legit.

    3 waves of 10 rockets dealing 140 damage each? Sure.

    5 grenades in a cross-pattern? HAHAHAHA.

    This is not a riot post. It's fake.

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    1. Mmmmmmk.

      Firstly, you're a bit dim. Moobeat's right in his knowledge, and this place does exist. Secondly, see the color that's ever-so-gently burning above the forum avatar? That's called Red. The name? Xypherous, a WELL-known Rioter. Thirdly... who are you to judge the power of an ULTIMATE, anyway? It makes sense, and they're clearly still tweaking the power.

      Sooo... yeah. Go away please. =D

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    2. while this might be hard to hit all the rockets ( like with ziggs' mines) it says there that each rocket does 40% less dmg, down to 20% of original dmg...

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    3. Image of Rioter: Touhou character. (Xyph usually is Vlad, but still image of vampire)
      Description given: Touhou gameplay.

      >.> I see what was done dere.

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  21. Hi moobeat,

    I think that DW will end up being shut down based on this leak. I think that this will make LoL slightly worse.

    I'm really sad you decided to post it.

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    1. "I think that DW will end up being shut down based on this leak."

      You are stupid if you think that would happen.

      Kicking out testers on the other hand - possibly.

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  22. I dont agree with posting this either, the names should have been blurred out, and if anything I wish you would have posted this maybe 2 or 3 weeks in the future when changes would be more likely to make this post not as valid. I know citing sources are important to credit you as a worthy journalist but I dot feel it was worth the risk of putting DW in trouble.

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  23. KARMA CHANGES!!!

    KARMA REWORK!!!

    OHMAHGAWD IT EXISTS!!! IT REALLY EXISTS!!!

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  24. If anyone is interested, I took note of all the names before they were blacked out by the author of the article. Contact me for more information.

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  25. ^^ I'm one of those names and I think that's a very rude move.

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    1. My philosophy is that all information should be free and accessible to everyone regardless of the consequences that sharing it with the masses implies.

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    2. Sorry I didn't have the foresight to do it earlier. It's not really relevant and some people might use their same summoner names.

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    3. I can confirm that some of them do.

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  26. I'm late, but when did Shurelia leave riot? It must have been a hush hush leave, because I don't remember any posts by them about it.

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    1. It was revealed a long time ago. From the official statements, it was amicable between the two parties involved.

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    2. It was the result of her husband leaving Riot to work elsewhere (his summoner name was Randuin, the namesake of the defense item in LoL, real name's Robin something) and she essentially said the commute was ludicrous for both of them so they decided the progression of his career would take priority here.

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  27. You people are foolish, if he gets sent a leak he can post a leak. Don't be mean to him. It's tentative/non-confirmed, not final, possibly faked.

    It's America people. Get off Moobeat's back. Stop being jerks.

    GG.

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  28. I want Xerath W

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  29. this isnt wikileaks people, nothing vital was leaked and riot will probably make a ton of changes before anything is even announced. It might even have just been an experiment on their part. overall this leek just gives us some cool insight into their design process, I doubt riot will send their ninjas.

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    1. It also might get a lot of us removed from DW because they need to ensure that it's a safe place... which is harmful to me and others.

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    2. you can get over it; it happens in these sorts of environments, that's part of the risk involved- you chose it.

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    3. You know what? No, It shouldn't be part of the risk and I'm glad that literally everyone that's part of the programme and riot disagrees. I'm not that guy, but I'm in the same boat and we're here because of a leaker. One who's not even good at leaking, thankfully. But you know what else is going to happen?

      Riot's going to find out who did this, and It's going to be the end of their league days OR WORSE CONSIDERING LEGALLY BINDING AND SIGNED CONTRACT.

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  30. I didn't sign anything...

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    1. Also am bad at replying in the correct spot

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  31. Sorry for asking a dumb question, but what's QoL?

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    1. "Quality Of Life" - usually these are small changes to abilities or kits to make them more usable, fluid, or reliable. Often times they end up as buffs. The upcoming Malz changes ( changes to his Q specifically ) are good examples.

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  32. I came here for Remi.

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  33. Y'all are so mean to moobeat.
    He did what he was expected to do, and he did it exceptionally well. He delivered y'all with posts about lol which are hard to find anywhere else.

    Keep up the good work, there are those which appreciate it. And I hope you feel better after your surgery.

    P.S. I'm not American. I'm Aussie. And y'all sounds cool :P

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    1. did anyone of you guys think about all this mumbo jumbo nonsence before reading the comments or did you decide to copy what the first person said?? yup thats right you guys are dicks and you either didnt like or liked the information and wanted to look at the comments, now i hated the changes except for the turrets 2 -> 3 ammount but thats it now if this actually came out i would never play heimerdinger again :( i like him the way he was he didnt need a remake he needed a buff you guy are making heimerdinger sad I for one hate all the negative comments here as the more people that viewed this the easier it gets to google now i'd for one like to know how you found this website?? could it have been google if so, what might have you googled... btw i'm also aussie and i will NEVER be looking back on the thread so you can reply but i wont see it, and i'm guessing thats gonna be a good thing for me because of how many complaints are gonna be replied here.

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  34. Moobeat ty! I don't think this leak will really have any negative impact. It's not like they leaked the next 4 champs or anything like that. Where leaks do dmg is the marketing department. Once information is leaked though its already too late for Riot and blogs and websites may as well report all they want to on them or else we will get it elsewhere.

    Like someone said above this is not wikileaks lol no one is harmed in knowing hiemer is getting a cool rework.

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    1. Next 3 champs, Dark Soverign (Void), Diana (Lance), Seth (Sand)

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  35. Umashi leaked it

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    1. Do you have anything to back up that claim? I'm sure Riot would love leads.

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  36. i can't see if anyone asked, but do these changes imply that the turrets will lose all their current passives (i.e. armor/mr shred, aoe, slow on hit)? don't get me wrong, i like the increased placement range, the aoe ranged attack they gain, etc., it just wasn't clear. i view his major issues atm revolve around being mostly worthless in a team fight as he can't keep up with the flow the fight in any meaningful way. i also am not entirely thrilled about his passive change. losing the team hp/5 buff is sad and scrap seems only useful during laning phase. but as i don't play heim ranked perhaps that is exactly what was needed.

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    1. about the passive, it doesn't specify a duration on the scrap; imagine in lane if you let a lot stack up, and then could almost instantly reset all your cool downs.

      I'd give up a late game passive for that

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  37. Just another ba dway to shut the community up ammo system no more split pushing.ulti that make next spell free... useless more turrents not bad charge shot every nine seconds with ammo system ...why not tweak what he has an dfix turrent a.i he wasnt realy fair from being viable.His base stats just suck really bad as of now and really that passive has got to mak ethe top ten useless passive guess i gotta fight in lane to get some mana.... i hope thi sis just speculation and not the final product

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    1. Yes, he wasn't far from being viable with his old kit.. the problem was that they couldn't buff him in any way or even give him any QoL changes without making him IMPOSSIBLE to beat in lane or without bringing back the game-breaking ridiculousness his old turret nests used to be.

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  38. * Turret base damage reduced to 24/30/36/42/48 (+.015 ap )
    * Turret attack speed reduced to .9 from 1.
    * Turret sight radius decreased by 33%
    * Turret Range reduced to 450 from 550.


    Nice joke....

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  39. You ruined DW I hope you can do me the favor and go fuck yourself

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    1. It's not like Riot's proven extremely volatile to leakers and people who spread leaks in the past, right?

      Oh wait. He doesn't have to go fuck himself. Both he and the person who took the shots are going to be in deep shit.

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    2. Why the hate he only reported the leak and at least he did it tastefully instead of with no context or explanation like the rest of the shit news sites

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  40. remilia scarlet ^^

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  41. Yes the other pics had a headline that said Garen remake 2.0 :)

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  42. Well, whoever leaked it out, I hope you're happy with what you managed to get, because you're not getting any more leaks from now on, at least not from DW. Riot is shutting the operation down. This is why you people can't have nice things.

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    1. A regrettable turn of events.

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    2. when did Riot say they were shuting down DW???????????

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    3. DW shut down, Zyra delayed. Jerk. :<

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    4. As long as there's no official note - And seeing those ''DW shut down'' comming only from an anon It could be the same guy trying to hate over and over - I'm not gonna believe this claim whatsoever. Facts or gtfo :/

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    5. There is no official notice of its closing because there was no official notice of its opening either. They made PTR/DW truly private for a reason, they're not going to confirm its existence now that it's going away. PTR/DW has existed in some form for a long time now as something unknown to the general LoL audience. Suffice to say, it is now gone and the person who leaked this is responsible for it. Expect no further leaks from it and that is a fact.

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  43. Lol niceee rework about heimer

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  44. Is the turret health a joke????? The turrets already dont have enough health.

    Honestly I play hiemer as my main and do rather well. I don't want a full rework. I want smarter less laggy turret AI and I want more turret health at higher levels. Also some more survivability would be nice.

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    1. As a avid heimer player myself, I'd have to agree. This just doesn't look right... here's to hoping this isn't the final decision. Like you said, they ought to give him a few tweaks here and there, not a complete overhaul.

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    2. his turret health is only a problem now because he has only 2 turrets... when he had 3 turrets his turrets not only had worse health scaling, they did not get bonus life... and they STILL stopped entire teams. Plus, they get resistance and armor now, so the health isn't quite as bad as you'd think.

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  45. I love how people see no harm in a leak, while 20 or so people in this thread are already up at arms and bashing EXPERIMENTAL changes XD

    I'm pretty sure this is below the beta level guys, meaning none of this may actually be implemented. it's to test out ideas that 'might' work out, yet they're being bashed on nonetheless.

    I'm pretty sure this is why Riot's mad. Information that probably has an NDA was leaked, and people are still getting mad about it.

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    1. Diana was delayed now too, for the same reason apparently (needs more dev testing)... so it looks like this leak did have a pretty bad impact (or at least Riot's decision to shut down the DW because of it did)..

      Although really, the only harm in these leaks that I can really see is to make their forum moderator's jobs harder. I'm not sure if it was worth freaking out, closing the PTR, and delaying who knows how many future champs because of it.

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    2. we never tested new champions on the PTR.

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    3. so, what? it was only for reworks? they did no dev testing of new champs they were working on there before they went to the PBE? For some reason I find that hard to believe...

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  46. Theres alot of vagina in my sand. :/

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  47. The AP ratio on turret health is very low. I cannot help to think it is an error. With the update, 500 ap only gives turrets with 175 hp.

    Kind of low. I like all the other changes, a lot.

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    1. It won't be as much of as an issuee as you think, as with 3 of those shooting at you, and with them getting to shoot off their burst in under 2 seconds after placement, you won't really want to be focusing those... you are more likely to either be going after heimer directly or running your ass off trying to avoid a triple blast

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    2. also don't forget that the rework notes have them getting considerable armor and MR too.=, while his current turrets have none.

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    3. But if you use your ulti with turrets, someone with good splash damage can kill those turrets instantly

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    4. I don't think they can with the magic resist and armor they will have.. they will be dangerously low.. and haim could still heal them back and stun the spell caster if it was a point blank spell like morde's E.

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  48. why take away the blind? -.-''

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    1. slow is better because is slows and slows attack speed. better for kiting and adds to heimers non existent list of reliable cc.

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  49. Moo, you made a big mistake by doing this.

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  50. as a heimer player the changes are pretty sweet, but 2 things i dont like are the new rockets (kinda confusing) and the new turrets seem awefully complicated. unnecessary, they were fine the way they were, but i like how you can place 3 now.

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  51. The only thing I have questions about is whether we can finally tell the turrets what to attack, like you can do with the various champions that have a creature to control.

    Would hate for the turrets to use their skillshots on minion waves when an enemy champion is near death nearby.

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  52. Fiora changes 0_0

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  53. just another anonymous post

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  54. Awh... this probably wont make it to live now.

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  55. This does not sound even slightly legit.

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  56. HEIMER REMAKE WHERe?!1111

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  57. All these comments and not a single one about the Yorick changes. Am I the only dude who plays that badass gravedigger? He needs some buffing to his damage fo sho. Maybe just up his passive to 10% per ghoul instead of 5%.

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  58. I'm not sure how I would feel if this made it live. I like the passive and the e. Heimer will have much more sustain mana-wise, but he is still super-squishy, even more so now. The turret changes are pretty good, except for the ammo thing. That is a fucking terrible idea. It seriously nerfs his turrets. I guess with his e healing/recharging them, it's not too bad. The bit of nerfing to the turrets stats are more than made up for by the additional turret. I dont really get the "damage fall off" thing with the rockets, but other than that, I like the buff. I love the new ult. Except, I liked the old name "UPGRADE!!!" much better.

    One other thing, most of the numbers for what stats were changed from are wrong. Like for turret parts, it says it used to be 2/2/2/2/2, but it is 1/1/2/2/2. It says turret AS was 1.0, but it is 1.25. Makes me think this is fake, but I kinda hope its not. Heimer really needs a burst increase to make him useful in teamfights. And if this goes live he will be throwing around AOEs like a boss.

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  59. OH NO :/ DON'T CHANGE THE PASSIVE! Heimer is special because he kites and has regenerative tactics; no one can repair Towers but him! Now he is like a reg AP :( ; so typical.... I'd really rather have the HEXTECH BOTS PASSIVE not this new one! It lets him adaptable to situations and makes him an excellent and very fun top or support champ! I also dont like the sight radius of turrets change, but i guess 3 turrets cover it.

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  60. and now they shut down DW completely and forever...
    GJ Surr@20 !!!!!

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  61. JUST LET THE TURRETS NOT DIE AFTER HE DIES. JUST THAT IS ENOUGH

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  62. any1 who thinks this remake is making heim weaker or this is a mistake shoud stop playing lol,i cant picture myself losing in mid with the new heim,i mean 3 turrets with skill shot of 0,45 ap is totally OP,heimer is the only champion that i upgrade ulti on 6,17,18lvl finally his ulti will do something now,and passive returns mana even if you failed to last hit the minion,love this rework so much,but i think removing blind is very stuppid

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