On upcoming changes for Rengar and status update on Heimer Rework

Posted on at 5:24 PM by Moobeat
It's been quiet around here... a little too quiet... Everyone must be too wrapped up in all that fantastic Snowdown Showdown content! Time to mix things up again with a dose of Red Posts!
Continue reading for two posts, one concerning what the future holds for Rengar and one mentioning the Heimer rework ( spoiler alert: still no updates ).

Another look at Rengar.
Here is Statikk, one of the associate game designers, talking about what the future holds for Rengar. Since release Rengar has been a tricky cat to balance and it seems the team is finally ironing out some solid fixes rather than band-aids.
"Rengar has been a complicated situation.

Our initial approach to the champion was to chip at him until we put him in a good spot. Unfortunately, it turns out there are core mechanics on the kit (ie: % Health based heal, a huge Armor / MR buff, instant stealth) that simply don't fit the gameplay patterns we were trying to create for Rengar...thus we began to gut / remove them.

For example, his stealth duration was nerfed due to the fact that it was instant, but we have now made it non-instant. This leaves his ult feeling more lackluster than ever. The end result is a huge mistake on our part where Rengar is both weak and unsatisfying to play.

Classick and I are currently working on buffing Rengar back into a state where we feel more comfortable with his gameplay. Some of the changes include re-increasing the stealth duration back to create the prowling feel again and adjusting the W heal to be a flat heal based on champion level. We're still working out all of the specifics but we know we took a faulty approach to Rengar's balance for the past few patches."

Heimerdinger's re-"still not here"-work:
Summoners who have been eagerly anticipating a rework for Heimerdinger might get a kick out of Morello mentioning it again on the forums, saying:
"No updates that are new here;

* We're still reworking Heimer (and will be working on it more now that preseason changes are launched)

* Like all reworks, some things will get better, some will get worse, some will get laterally changes (please don't expect "all skills buffed!")

* Xypherous is working on it

* No ETA yet"

203 comments

  1. I really wish they would fucking do something about trundle.....

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  2. Order, entropy; a never-ending cycle.

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  3. They really dont know what they're doing with rengar, do they?

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  4. Remove Rengar from the game. Kha Zix is the exact same anyway.

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  5. ...But... But I need my Heimer remake... D:

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  6. looking foward for Rengar

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  7. Make a visual upgrade to Sivir, she looks very ugly now. :S

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  8. Rengar seems balanced to me. I just can't wait for heimer re-work. >_<

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  9. Anyway, I will always hated that Rengar...

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  10. Rengar is always Nerf/Buff/Nerf/Buff always.

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  11. They made Rengar ult like my Q(Ambush). welcome to the party rengar

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  12. RENGAR KEEPS GETTING NEUTERED. WTF RIET HE HAS NO MOAR BALLZ LEFT. STOP Pl0x






    P.S. Still haven't found John Connor.

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  13. I don't think the %Health based Heal and Insta-Ult were the only reasons that Rengar was OP for some time. There's also the core mechanic of his kit, namely, that he gets advantages by spamming his abilities. Take that all together and you can understand why he got nerfed so hard over and over and his kit still is still OP, just his numbers lower. He'll need abit of reworking and changing to be balanced and I really don't know if he'll ever be.

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  14. I bought Snowmerdinger just so I can pimpslap people with rockets when his remake comes out. <3

    Oh, and to be ridiculously OP in ARAMS.

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  15. Trundle is already good and balanced (o.O)

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  16. My poor Heimy is being changed :(

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  17. Yeah, spamming abilities is usually a bad thing for most of the other champs.

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  18. some will get better....some will get worse. Tell that to Diana

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  19. Thats clearly not Lulu.

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  20. Now everyone know what lurks in the shadows.
    And so,... now Shaco's stealth ability is the better one, but only counting about the time of the stealth. Regardless of Rengar's passive combining with his ult.

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  21. Don't care about heimer or rengar, I just want to kill bad guys with my lil' bitch Vi, so hurry up Riot and release her.

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  22. People fear what they cannot understand.

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  23. My E (Blood scent) should reveal you when you go ninja style (Ambush)... And that Rengar too !

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  24. It's definetly not Blitzcrank

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  25. Caps lock is cruise control for cool, but you still have to steer.

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  26. You look like a hamster I knew.

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  27. I'll show them a watery grave!

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  28. Rumble has a very similar mechanic but he has to juggle between being in the danger zone and overheating, as both have advantages and disadvantages. and there are a couple of characters with rage that get better the more they build up, perhaps Riot shuld look at those.

    right now the way he works as well use mana and change his ult to give him the empowered abilities (like karma? his ult is kinda silly anyways, if you really wanted to keep him with a temporary stealth make it a short stealth as an empowered roar instead of the stupid heal he has for sustain.)

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  29. Go ahead.. being negative.. you'll be just my type!

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  30. What's that smell? Oh it's Twitch! -.-'

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  31. Remove rengar's q attack speed and put a delay time for his empowered skill that will balance him good.

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  32. Should make his ultimate only insta invisible when he is in a bush.

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  33. Now let's see who will get remade first. You should feel honoured facing me, heimerdinger.

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  34. what is this.. 9th buff/nerf to rengar within 3 months? LOL

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  35. I eat YORDLES like you for breakfast.


    Becareful punk, before you get terminated.

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  36. Trundle just needs animation reworks, which should be done with the visual overhaul. He's the best duelist in the game right now, will win 100% of even fights and most of them even if he's behind gold-wise.

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  37. I guess im going to have a better fight with my buddy rengar! Change...Is good..

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  38. more like nerf/buff/BIG nerf/BIG nerf

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  40. the health % based was fine unleast rengar was tanky as hell (and i mean tanky as a shen or volibear) the insta-ult should stay if it only last 5secs, however if is not instant then should last 7sec like it did before, what ppl though was op on rengar was his Q 150% extra damage with ferocity so when this got removed it was pretty much balanced, im ok about the reduced damage on W and even if they reduce armor and mr buff, but dont make a balanced champ completly useless, i cannot even take the bonetooth necklace anymore because is not worthed

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  41. only with mana based, if u dont use mana i dont see whats bad about spamming abilities

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  42. but i scent oppa gangnam style...
    hahaha!

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  43. Hey Moo, where's the skin sale? MOOOOO :(

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  44. (Okay what's up with the out of character? Caitlyn is a prim and proper champion who follows the offensively stereotypical English lady. You're talking more like Vi... wait a minute!)
    In the King's name! Vi! Stop hacking into Caitlyn's account!

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  45. Fear not, she's coming.


    It was mentioned in an earlier post that she was on the rework list.

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  46. Riot damn you for touching Rengar again just when he was balanced you nerfed him into oblivion >:(

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  47. I swear to God these rp'rs are getting annoying.

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  48. I would show you no mercy!

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  49. I really wanna a nice rework on heimer. He's a yordle after all, he's just like a nerd brother to me!

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  50. Rengar is in santa's bad list.More nerf hammer for him ho ho ho

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  51. Ah finally, I can take trophies once again!

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  52. I can't wait to defeat the beast, and take my rightful prize!

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  53. Garen please, I want you nerfed to HELL :* cya mate.

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  54. mainly cause of his lovely q and ult pretty much just stealing stats :P

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  55. I strike from the shadows.

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  56. They'll make quite the mess.

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  57. They never know what they're doing... If lot of people QQ about a champ they nerf it to the ground then realease a simiral champ that's more OP then the nerfed one was before... and forget about old champs...... and the smallest buff takes 1 year for them....

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  58. Dear sir Garen, talk to the sherrif like that, and make accusations like that one more time, and I will arrest you myself.

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  59. Wise words, miss Sona.

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  60. Stop. Destroying. Rengar.

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  61. i think cooldowns are a bit of an issue for him too. Not to big of an issue but still.

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  62. Well that's good news, glad I didn't waste my rp on him....

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  63. Mmm...mmmm...i smell their stench!

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  64. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE WW!

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  65. "we know we took a faulty approach to Rengar's balance for the past few patches" - yes, you did. But why if I told you Rengar is not the only champ you did it with?

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  66. Whatchu talkin bout fool!

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  67. That's right, my sir.

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  68. I aint got no time for jibba-jabba

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  69. I'm the only spider, in this nest

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  70. Me too. Go to hell Demacia!

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  71. Wanna know me? I'm waiting you at any noxian bar you pick. Maybe I understand your point.

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  72. No control,no mercy...

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  73. I wish I could find my twin too.
    (forever unpicked)

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  74. Change Sivir Not Fcking Trundle Or Heim

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  75. Destroy...Then improve!

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  76. Rengar is still being banned in champion select and now they gonna buff him back, so kids and riot staff will be happy roll facing 1v5, killing 4 and then running away in stealth with 100 hp. Noob champ.

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  77. Spectral FiddlesticksDecember 18, 2012 at 12:03 AM

    Fear ME instead..

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  78. Let's smash something!

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  79. We quoting things now? uh...NASUS CANNOT ESCAPE ME FOREVER

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  80. Good, maybe i'll back to playing as Rengar, cause now he's USELESS for me.

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  81. Elise, I bring justice to all in the name of Demacia.
    How does the League expect me to do so if they nerf me to hell?

    I go against mages who control the very darkness, beings that can send the world aflame, nightmares turned to life, cripples who can summon talon from the ground and transform to a hideous bird man. *focuses on Swain*

    I dare say, I need a buff to be able to fight against such monstrosities especially since I am but a man and his sword!

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  82. I did not mean to make such heinous act, Sheriff Caitlyn.

    You acted as you if weren't yourself and as a man of action, I had to take action; to see that justice! was not tainted.

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  83. downvote? seriously? i made ww before u m8...whatever -.-

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  84. Fear not! I will tactically wait in an undisclosed location to "congratulate" the winner!

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  85. Sounds like my friend rengar has a bright tomorrow

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  86. how about u nerf fizz ,akali and le blanc in early game?

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  87. I don't know why they are going to buff him. He is fine the way he is.

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  88. My brother play her Top Lane and fucking destroys ^^
    I never played with her but she seems good (o.O)'

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  89. Wonder how Heimer is going to turn out.

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  90. Calm down Doctor, now is not the time for fear. That comes later.

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  91. I don't downvote people, I FEAST on them (but seriously, is there a way to change my name ? I'd be Feral if I can)

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  92. Who needs exoskeleton when you get a cool armor like mine?

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  93. And ill pave the way with them!

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  94. I don't downvote people, I FEAST on them ! (Is that better ?)

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  95. I'll send one of my clones after them..

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  96. This time, the joke is on you!

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  97. They don't know what they're doing with anyone.

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  98. U have a warriors heart, i think i'll take it

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  99. *amateur.
    Oh and stop spamming these threads with roleplaying, it's getting really f'in annoying, there's a roleplaying forum on the league of legends site for that.

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  100. Funny how people who have nothing to say still manage to spam the shit out of the comments. I don't mind roleplaying, but that's ridiculous.


    Anyway, we still have nothing new on Heimerdinger :(

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  101. I dont understand why riot nerf rengar 2 times ://

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  102. Now Let's see, who will get remade... O wait, hah. xD

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  103. No, Harry, no!!
    oh wait

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  104. Live and Die by the blade

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  105. Ugh, I lost another blade. I wonder who it's in this time

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  106. You can get stabbed in the heart, pierced lung, slit throat, bleed to death.... NEED I SAY MOAR?!?! I dont feel pain, hurt, grief, sickness, NOTHING. While your emotions are controlling you, I feel NO emotions. No emotions hold ME BACK!

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  107. Lol look at this wannabe Kha'zix.

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  108. Finally, I was hoping for a post like this to show up.
    I wonder if they're gonna do the same with Diana, cuz she's been getting hit hard as well
    I like how Rengar and Diana both play, but I don't want to play them because as soon as I get used to one adjustment they get nerfed again.

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  109. Making Rengar was their first mistake. His kit is inherently overpowered. So either they make his stats correctly and he dominates or they nerf him into the ground and no one plays him. Rengar is the epitome of poor character design from a mechanical standpoint. You know what's sad? Kha'Zix is the fixed version of him. These are the things that riot is going to run into if they keep releasing champions at the current pace. They are going to have more inherently broken kits and more overlapping of characters that do effectively the same thing but in a different manner. They need to totally rethink their design philosophy and Rengar is the poster boy for that.

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  110. Want to know why me Roger is so jolly?

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  111. Sure hope Garrrfield over thar will get a rework, maybe he'll finally withstand me crits alrready!

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  112. Why is that image there? Damned if I know how to work these landlovin' machines! Where do ye even put me gold dulbloons in?

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  113. So who is the new Vlad?

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  114. Warwick and Rengar you're nothing more than a skull on my belt.

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  115. How fast can you run on two legs?

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  116. You shouldn't be talking about the shadows, when you can't understand them.

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  117. You have an awesome ability to convince people, I would like you to join me in the path of shadows.

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  118. Renekton, you would have died if Nasus weren't in the league. Also, silence, I'm trying to get a lady.

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  119. Nevermove demacian!

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  120. How is General Du Couteau?

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  121. GET OFF YOU IMPOSTER, I'M THE REAL NIGHTMARE

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  122. Wow you guys are ignorant, go make your own game if you think they don't know what they are doing, seriously.

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  123. YO I'M MR. T AND THIS IS MY NIGHT ELF MOHAWK

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  124. I will always hated your grammar

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  125. About time sir, and he'll be happy

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  126. Depends on his build imo

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  127. Is there a grammar thread for them too? Please?

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  128. Definitely* but thanks for making my day (:

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  129. If by fine you meant 'his kit is lackluster' you're right. And I say that because I love the champ

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  130. I been in league long enough to understand the shadows and poison.

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  131. Not to its full potential

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  132. ... ♫~ ^^U ♪♫♫~~ ^///^U

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  133. We can become an unstopable force, please, come with me.

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  134. LOVELY tho i could roll a hyena ww too...sorry :P

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  135. You don't know how to use me!

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  136. I will have your head!

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  137. Kinkou Order will triumph! down with the Order of Shadows

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  138. Your ways are forbidden!

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  139. Fool! Shadows will prevail!

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  140. No technique is forbidden... or, are you scared of the true power of the shadows?

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  141. I like the way you act... Hmmm I think I can see a good ally within you.

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  142. I still investigate his whereabouts it seems he is travelling place to place everytime

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  143. I strike from the shadows too you know

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  144. Have you anything to offer but weakness?

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  145. You just want to hit on Lady Katarina Demacian

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  146. Only fools pledge his life to honor

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  147. We're travel the same path, your quest for power has left you unbalanced

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  148. Show respect Talon! That's Lady Du Couteau to you!

    O-only I can call her, K-K-Katarina - I think. *blush*

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  149. Man, insta-invi is good for Rengar. He's getting overnerfed now!

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  150. Rengar's kit is will always be imbalanced considering how it works. His "Ferocity" mechanic is partly a reason. Rengar is becoming like Rammus, A strong kit no matter the nerf... until Riot decides to Nerf until he's more of an issue for your team, rather than the enemy.

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  151. Weather forecast for tonight: Nocturne, with a chance of fake.

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  152. hehe. U was much better when u was new.
    Now u sucks. ;)
    Ur lore enemy this "house fly"(Kha'Zix) owns u like it (this) (or how to call him) want.
    But this don't change fact, my main champion, Riven owns "house fly" (Kha'Zix) like she wants.

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  153. I bet you want to see her slay belle outfit

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  154. I was the first to see it...

    (If you haven't noticed Garen is the poor soul Slay Belle Katarina sliced at after exploding from the gift box.)

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  155. I knew it , you really want to hit on Lady Katarina

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  156. Talon, it's more complicated than that...

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  157. The inside of a brush is shadowy... does that count as striking from the shadows?

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  158. I know that you are happy last time when she visited Demacia

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